I have not played any O8 cash games yet. However after 1 SNG in O8 I can immediately see that Omaha Hi-Lo (O8) and Pot-Limit Omaha (PLO) are entirely different games as I posted in Marty’s thread.

I think at a theoretical level, there may be more to be made in O8 because a scoop hand has the ability to seriously skew drawing odds. Going back the the Fundamental Theorem (make money from your opponents mistakes) it seems likely that bigger mistakes can be made in O8.

However that same reasoning says to me that there is also more money to be lost by the inept and since I class myself in that category for the time being, I have made the decision to stick with PLO for cash games for the time being.

Very nice Session 2 hand! Notice that Hanibal seems to have used three hole cards to make a straight drawing to a crap flush? I can see no other explanation to his shove on the turn…

You hand also shows another of the concept I have some difficulty reconciling. Basically Hanibal was bluffing in this hand with squat but a bad flush draw. However his bet required you to call $9.05 into a pot of $17.15 (little less than 2 to 1). You had 9 outs to the nuts, 2 outs to trip Aces and 2 outs to second set. However if the all-in is the straight it represents (6 to 10 or 7 to J) then you really only have 9 outs making you a 4 to 1 dog (making the call incorrect).

The reason that I have trouble in spots like this is because I just find it nearly impossible to assess whether an opponent is bluffing with any degree of remote accuracy. It seems to be a game where bluffing is much less likely to be successful than in Holdem, however contrary to one of my previous posts, I think you still do need to bluff occasionally for meta game reasons. 1 opponent is better than 2 and semi bluffs are better than pure bluffs I think, but this board and the players in the hand have the right ingredients for a bluff.

As the hand actually played out, with perplexor in, you were in fact behind drawing to 11 outs making the 2 to 1 call incorrect. Am I reading this correctly?

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